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Allan James's avatar

There is a book in there (in you?🙏) somewhere. I frequented the Marquee Wardour Street from 83-88 and then its move to Charing Cross road. Many great memories there and the history of that place has been well documented. Love this post Mark. Write a book please👍

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Well, that’s a starting place for a discussion I suppose! It probably needs a parallel musicological history for context, and recognition of a lot of lost/missing history. If you start with genre-agnosticism and buildings then the oldest churches and palaces are worth a nod, surely - especially as I can think of a heap of churches / ex-churches that function as significant venues today … And Oxford’s Holywell Music Room (1748) definitely deserves a mention - if originally primarily a classical space, this century I’ve been to a bunch of great folk and other more contemporary gigs there. There’s a strong case for it being amongst the country’s/continent’s oldest purpose built venue.

In as much as non-classical/non-courtly music is well-documented as being a common feature in beer houses by the mid 16th century, then almost any surviving pub from that era that still has tunes from time to time is worthy of a nod for its role; allow me some gerontoramblings! Around 45 years ago as a youth a group of us would troop around some very rural pubs in north Gloucestershire in midwinter playing music, the kind of pubs probably recently appropriated by Alex James’s mates (i wouldn’t know for certain: I wouldn’t dream of returning there now!) but then still prior to their reinvention as gastropubs for tories and tourists, serving mainly agricultural workers, and we were conscious of being part of a very old tradition. I recall landlords of three pubs in particular - Royal Oak Gretton, Craven Arms Brockhampton, Plough Ford - sharing with us artefacts and documents referring to music in their pubs - beyond drinking songs: instrumental dance tunes and song arrangements - from 18th and 19th centuries.

I’d suggest that early urbanisation saw some taverns/inns/hotels become the forerunners of music halls, and arguably the greatest era of English (coz that’s what I know a little about, and then mainly NW, particularly Liverpool) venue building … I recently became aware that my 3x great grandfather was managing the Star Concert Room (sometimes Star Concert Hall) c. 1847-58, a venue of which there is little formal documentation: the Arthur Lloyd website refers to it only as being an earlier manifestation of the Star Music Hall that opened in 1866 and which, after several other name changes and internal remodelling, is today the Playhouse Theatre. The sheer number of late c19 music halls in Liverpool, Bolton, Manchester and undoubtedly elsewhere is quite astonishing (and quite well recorded), but what interests me is their genesis from the earlier, far less well documented, music enterprises of late c18 and early c19 developed in large taverns/less salubrious hotels … some of these are deliberately invisible from street/trade/tax directories of the time, and their footprints are only traceable in old newspaper archives advertising their programmes … I could go on.

The Star concert hall was perhaps a bawdy, beery place, and although I am still researching its earliest history it was certainly functioning and advertising its six night a week programme as part of a downmarket hotel in the 1830s and well established by the late 1840s/50s, when, for example Liverpool Philharmonic Society opened their first concert hall in 1849 for more sedate classical concert going, and the city government similarly opened St George’s Hall - intended as a concert hall despite the dreadful acoustics of the main space, but with the incredibly beautiful Concert Room (then “Small Concert Room” to differentiate from the main space) in 1858, for a more classical programme.

There must be scores of other similar and almost lost histories of the Star concert hall era, and I contend that these early/mid 18th century precursors of music halls, the concert rooms/halls of hotels and taverns, were the original GMVs, where the music became the purpose and the bar income the means, with managed programmes, resident & visiting artists, and music drawing on folk song, broadsides, popular, comic and social commentary song through to opera vignettes, and provided the ignition for the country’s extraordinary music industry, at least as much as any conservatoire or orchestra. Discuss! I’ll shut up now.

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